040 | VIDEO: A Holiday Update From The Grace Cafe

Welcome to episode 40 of the Grace Cafe Podcast. This episode is a short video update from the Cafe. We’re on the road this holiday season and in lieu of a regular episode, we stopped to film this short video update to wish you all a happy new year. We’ll be back with regular episodes next week!

See you in 2019!


039 | Christmas is a Rescue

Welcome to episode 39 of The Grace Cafe Podcast. Christmas is upon us, so let’s talk about it. God becoming flesh wasn’t done in a vacuum. It was done for a reason. Jesus was born to rescue us and his rescue was accomplished by his dying for our sin and being raised for our justification. Crucial and necessary to his dying, was his birth. The two cannot be separated. In order to die and rise again, he first had to be born.

In this episode we talk about everything Christmas and the hope we have in Jesus. Grab your favorite beverage, put your feet up, and listen in as we talk about this inexhaustible gospel of grace.

-Enjoy, and Merry Christmas!

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038 | God Is For You

Welcome to episode 38 of The Grace Cafe Podcast. Thank you for the response we received from our previous episode (37). The notes and stories you sent prompted our topic for this episode. Some of you reached out to tell us about your own journeys out of institutional religion and the effects of spending years in settings lite on the gospel and heavy on rules.

In this episode, we talk about God’s real opinion of us as we interact with 3 of the letters we received. Mike’s been fighting off a virus so please excuse his voice when it gets a little rough in spots.

You’ll find The Grace Cafe Facebook page at https://www.facebook.com/GraceCafePodcast/.


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037 | Our Journey Out Of Institutional Religion

Welcome to episode 37 of The Grace Cafe Podcast. About 2 years ago, Susan and I had a conversation about our trek out of organized religion. That conversation was episode 5 of Mike’s old Ekklesia Podcast. The Ekklesia Podcast was a venue where Mike fleshed out some of his thoughts about organized, institutional religion and our involvement in it. Ekklesia is the Greek word translated “church” in our New Testaments and Mike used the Ekklesia Podcast as an ongoing conversation about the differences between the ekklesia Jesus is building and many of the institutional churches we build.

We hope you enjoy this episode. we would love to hear from you! If you get a chance, be sure to leave us a review in iTunes or on the Apple Podcast App.


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036 | Losing Our Identity Only To Find It Again: A Conversation With Greg McInturff

Welcome to the Grace Cafe! This episode is a conversation between Mike and our good friend Greg McInturff. It’s a longer episode than what we usually post. I considered making it into two separate episodes but decided to leave it as one to preserve the continuity of our discussion. We’ve known Greg and his wife Kim for 20+ years. We lost touch with them years ago and were recently reunited only to find out we had been on the same grace journey. Our conversations are always energizing and we invite you to eaves drop on this one and be encouraged.

We talked about so many topics in this episode it’s hard to catalog them all. But here’s a few:

  • Spiritual burnout
  • Institutional Christianity
  • Our true identity
  • Experiencing Jesus
  • What it means to be righteous
  • Religious tradition and obligation
  • Fixing your eyes on Jesus
  • Confessing sin
  • Our expectations of ourselves
  • The Holy Spirit in you
  • And a lot more…


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035 | The Increased Frequency of Spiritual Abuse

“Spiritual abusers convince the spiritually abused that there’s no such thing as spiritual abuse.” -Mike Adams

Welcome to episode 35 of The Grace Cafe Podcast! We continue to hear from different people, detailing their stories and experiences with spiritual abuse. Spiritual abuse is real and if it hasn’t happened to you, that doesn’t mean it hasn’t happened to the person next to you. In spiritual abuse, some people get a free pass while others are singled out and preyed upon. We’ve seen this pattern over and over again.

In this episode we talk about:

  • Muzzling the spiritually abused.
  • Labeling those who are brave enough to share their story as gossips in order to silence them.
  • Top-down abusive authority within religious institutions.
  • Matthew 18 and church discipline.

Our previous episode of Susan’s story of counseling and therapy for spiritual abuse is here:

Susan’s blog by the same title is here:

Mike’s recent blog on submission to leaders in Hebrews 13 is here:

Other blogs Mike has written that we talked about in this episode:

Other blogs Mike has written related to this episode:


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034 | The Cross Worked: A Conversation with Zach Maldonado

Welcome to episode 34 of The Grace Cafe Podcast. This episode is a conversation between Mike and Zach Maldonado, centered around Zach’s book, The Cross Worked: Why You Can Have Confidence On The Day Of Judgment. Zach is the Communication’s Pastor at Church Without Religion in Lubbock Texas and is on staff at Andrew Farley Ministries.

Are you ready to hear the good news of the gospel afresh? Are you ready to be reminded that God isn’t disappointed in you? Are you ready to hear all over again that the Father has the same opinion of you that he has of Jesus? Are you ready to be reminded that Jesus plus nothing is all you need?Are you ready to be reminded that Jesus plus nothing is all you need? Are you ready to be reminded that there’s nothing wrong with you and you are righteous in Christ? Grab your favorite beverage, strap in and hold on.

Zach’s book is available everywhere but here’s a link to it on Amazon for your convenience:

You can reach out to Zach here:


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033 | Who Are You?

Welcome to episode 33 of The Grace Cafe Podcast! After about a six week hiatus, we’re back. October saw a lot of traveling for us and a few projects around the house that kept us from the microphones. In this episode we talk about one of our trips to Lubbock Texas for the God Without Religion conference with Andrew Farley. What an encouraging time!

This episode is all about our identity in Jesus. I entitled it Who Are You? because Susan and I talk about the assumptions and beliefs we tend not to question that keep us from knowing who we truly are in Jesus. Here’s a short list of subjects we take on:

  • Thinking a good Sunday message means we should feel bad or convicted of something when it’s over.
  • Striving to draw nearer to God when we’re already as near to him as possible.
  • The false notion of progressive sanctification vs. positional holiness.
  • Theological eggheads and turning the love of God into a doctrine to be mastered.
  • Misunderstanding Jesus’ references to salt and light.
  • Conformity to other’s expectations of you.
  • Headship, submission, authority, and roles.
  • The pitfalls of a patriarchal marriage and the harmful expectations it produces.

We would love to hear from you! There is a contact form on our website if you would like to reach out to us.


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